You're Talking When???
I observed something this morning that really irked me.
On the bright side though, it gave me something to blog about.
V'Amaich Kulam Tzadikim and Chaverim Kol Yisrael.....
That being said, there is a time and a place for everything. I davened this morning in a shul other than my own and was astounded at the volume level of talking during charazas hashatz. I was much younger than the talkers and I felt it in appropriate for me to be giving them mussar, after all, who am I? They don't know that I am Frum Idealist.
Obviously we shouldn't be talking in shul at all. After all, we have a meeting with Hakadosh Boruch Hu. How dare we interrupt to talk to our friends? Can you imagine having a meeting with the CEO of your company and answering your cell phone to talk to your buddy when he calls? You would be fired immediately.
I wanted to focus though on two specific points today.
#1 - Talking with your tefillin on. The Shulchan Aruch is very clear on how serious this is and how it should be avoided at almost any cost. Just to give you an understanding... The Shulchan Aruch states that one should keep their tefillin on by a bris. Why? Because Tefillin is an Os and Bris is an Os. If you look around nowadays, you rarely find anyone other than the baal simcha and one or two rabbanim that keep their tefillin on. Why? One of the gedolei hador was asked this question and answered something to the effect of, being that there is generally a delay between the end of davening and the bris itself, people will likely be talking, and it's better they take their tefillin off so that they are not talking with their tefillin on than keeping their tefillin on for the bris.
#2 - Talking during chazaras hashatz. The Shulchan Aruch states that someone who talks during chazaras hashatz, "godol avono min'so". That phrase only appears one other time, anywhere. After Hashem admonishes Kayin for killing Hevel, Kayin asks, "godol avoni min'so??". Rashi says "Bitmiya", he was asking Hashem if his sin, murder, technically genocide, after all, he killed a quarter of the world's population, is that astounding. The Shulchan Aruch isn't asking, he is TELLING us, YES, the sin of talking during chazaras hashatz IS that astounding.
A few weeks ago I had posted about the importance and value of the amens of a complete chazaras hashatz as opposed to a "heicha kedusha". When discussing my post with someone, he educated me to the fact that at one point the Rambam did away with chazaras hashatz altogether, because people couldn't control themselves and not talk, and it was better not to have chazaras hashatz than to have talking during charazas hashatz. Mind Boggling!!! Imagine if the Rambam lived today???
I'm not saying not to be friendy, but do it at an appropriate time.
posted by A Frum Idealist | 2/21/2006 11:00:00 AM
9 Comments:
Its nice to see that you are a kana'i for Hashem....
I also liked how you prefaced this with a comment about the overall goodness of Am Yisrael.
Yes, you are frum Idealist. Hear you roar.
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Listen here frum idealist, you want a picture perfect world or at least close to it. It is beautiful how you feel so strong with these issues and you are definalty a minority. Unfortunalty people are falling and falling and giving in to their tavah's. Society applauds to "show off" all this Tameh. If you truley believe in your heart what you writing God will reward you in the world to come
This reminds me of a story where at the end of the story this guy walks into shul with his tefillin on and everyone there suddenly feels a sense of fear and awe wash over them. Then they all look at the guy who walked in and who hasn't been in that shul in a while and ask him what's going on. And he said that during davening, they talk to each other. And so their teffillin lost their power. When he davens though, he just davens. And so his teffillin still have their power.
Are there any tefillin wearers reading my blog today???
AFI needs a testosterone infused comment. Someone please comply, lol.
Ok..Ok...
Right on Dude!
I think anyone that habitually talks during Chazaras Hashas..should be tossed out of shul.
It's an absolute disgarce.
If you want to see what a shul should look like..Go to a Sephardi shul..You won't hear a peep..
*beating my chest*
good post.
now i just have to find a way to get the message over to the people who came into shul last week and sat and talked over me, loudly.
it's true, they would never do that in an important meeting but how to make them aware of this in a way that won't cause them offence or turn them against coming to shul to daven (if they want to chat, there's plenty of other time in the week!)
keep up the great positive-ness :)
Important topic.
Schmoozing during davening, especially the Shabbes davening is rampant. I don't know what can be done but I've noticed that the less schlepping involved the less schmoozing. People shouldn’t have the time to talk during davening!
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